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Oxalic Acid Dribble and Sublimation Updates


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Update 20 Sept 2017

 There are YouTubes being circulated recommending using a heat fogger to apply oxalic acid.  Retired chemist Dick Cryberg, who is a very sharp guy whose observations I deeply respect, posted the following to Bee-L:
I tried fogging with 10% oxalic acid dissolved in water.  I fogged ten five over five deep nucs once a week with 0.6 g of oxalic acid
dihydrate for each five deep for eight consecutive weeks this summer.  I had  ten nucs untreated side by side for controls.  The single highest
after treatment mite count was from a treated nuc determined by alcohol wash at 3%.  I saw exactly zero evidence that I killed any significant number of mites.  Overall the treated hives and controls had equivalent mite counts.  All were at 0 to a bit over 1% mites at the start.  I dosed as high as 2g/ five deep nuc and showed no adverse effects other than a few burned bees that hit the fogger screen.  Fogging ran from mid June
to late July.  All were treated earlier in the spring to drive mite counts to about zero with apivar.  The slow build up by early August is because I run Minnesota Hygienic queens which do a fair job of containing mite populations.I was pretty careful in the experiment.  I spent several hours fooling with the fogger to figure out how to deliver a consistent dose.  I had to drill a hole in the top of the handle and push down the trigger fully down with a screw driver after each shot to get consistent volume each time.  I also had to pull the trigger as fast as possible to get consistent volumes.  I showed, by capturing and analyzing the fog that oxalic was surviving the fogging experience at least partly intact.  My capture was under 100% and analysis showed a recovery of 60% so I feel was I was not
decomposing enough to matter.

I also waited 20 seconds between trigger pulls to allow full heat recovery in the coil.  Even then a lot of what came out the spout was liquid that ended up on the bottom of the nuc.  I found the process tedious and not really all that fast at over three minutes per nuc each treatment.

I have seen the you tube vids and seen much discussion on fogging.  I am the first, as far as I can tell, to ever do before and after mite counts and include controls of any type.  At this point I view all such claims as pure snake oil of the usual value that snake oil typically has but am open to being proven wrong.  I am a bit leary of firing alcohol due to flammability althou no one has reported a fire issue.   [I would expect a fog of alcohol in air to be highly explosive, but I don’t have a heat fogger with which to test.  If any reader has tested this, please let me know]

Also, oxalic acid will react very rapidly with alcohol make the ester and the ester will very rapidly decarboxylate at temps as low as 100 deg C to ethyl formate which is not going to kill mites.  If you are going to fog ethanol solutions you probably need to make fresh solution just prior to fogging to avoid the inevitable ester formation that is going to happen on storage even at room temp.  This chemistry is not a problem in water solution but needs to be considered in alcohol or particularly glycerin which some are using.

Update 18 March 2017

When OA dribbling package bees (or perhaps any bees), I’ve received a report from a good source that the bees tolerate the dribble better if they are full of nectar or sugar syrup–presumably because they are then less prone to imbibe the OA syrup.

Update 24 Jan 2017

There has been lots of response to my article on OA/gly in ABJ (soon to be posted to this website).  I’m in communication with EPA to get this application method approved.

 

Update 22 Dec 2016

Be sure to check my article in Jan ABJ on OA/glycerin http://scientificbeekeeping.com/oxalic-shop-towel-updates/.  I’ll try to post soon.

In response to questions about adverse effects on queens:

The evidence that I’ve seen to date indicate that vaporization does not have serious effects on the queen.  On the other hand, there are indications that repeated dribble  may.

In our operation, we don’t notice any effect on queens from spring treatment of nucs, or from one-time fall treatment of colonies with dribble (but we haven’t run controlled trials to compare rates of winter queen failure).
My GUESS is that repeated exposure to HIGH concentrations of OA likely is stressful to queens (for example, when applying vapor at 5-day intervals to obtain good efficacy in colonies with brood).  Worker turnover in colonies is rapid in summer, so adverse effects on workers from cumulative exposure may not be as noticeable as with queens.  Colonies thrive during warm weather under chronic exposure via OA/glycerin, but a beekeeper in Chile says that use during damp winter weather can result in wing burn off in queens.
Take home–we don’t yet know enough to give a definitive answer.

Update 16 June 2016

I recently received an email from a Northeastern beekeeper, Erik Donley, about his experience with applying oxalic vapor to newly-hived package bees.  Excerpts follow:

* I installed 10 x 3LB packages (from OHB) in single deep hives. (April 17th)  All but one hive had fully drawn out comb.  (The 1 was starting with 1 drawn comb and 9 bare foundations)

* On the 8th day after installation I administered the OA treatment.  I vaporized approx .75g (between 1/4 and 1/8 teaspoon) of OA into each single deep hive.  (I felt that was a reasonable dose given a full 2 deep hive takes roughy 2g)

* I checked the hives 4 days after and everything seemed fine.  All continued to have laying queens with solid brood patterns, there were no issues with absconding, or mutiny vs the queen.

* Since installation, the hives have moved to multiple locations across Northern Minnesota and Wisconsin and have been exposed to a variety of difficult weather conditions.  (We had snow and freezing temperatures in late May).  Thus the robustness of each hive has been slightly weather dependent, but it appears so far they are not populated with Mites.

Erik is planning to follow up with late summer caging of the queen, followed by another formic vaporization–I will post his results.  Note: keep in mind that repeating treatments without rotation,  will tend to breed for resistant mites.  Better to rotate treatments (such as with thymol).  Erik questioned me on this:

A reference from X said that due to the mode of action of OA, it is impossible for mites to gain resistance to it.

The above is a good example of someone talking out of their [hat].  No one even knows for sure what the mode of action of OA is against varroa, nor how it is absorbed.  And no matter, I can assure you that some mites will be more resistant than others, which implies that some degree of resistance is possible.  Remember, there is only a small margin of safety between the dose that kills mites, and the dose that kills bees.  That means that varroa only needs to develop a slight degree of resistance until OA is as toxic to the bees as it is to the mites.  Rotate treatments!

My friend Rob Stone (Pierce Beekeeping) recently treated treated a number of packages of bees for sale by spraying a total of 30mL of “weak” solution divided over the four sides of the package cages, and was happy with the results.

Original post 

Following the lead of many other countries, EPA has finally approved its legal use for control of varroa.  My sons and I have been using oxalic dribble for 15 years with great success.    We really like the dribble method due to its low cost, ease of use, safety to the applicator, minimal adverse effects to the colony, and its high efficacy against varroa if applied correctly.  Here are some tips:

Application

  • The typical dosage of oxalic dribble is 5 mL (1 tsp) per “seam” of bees between the frames. Solution spilled on the top bars doesn’t count. I suggest applying it carefully in order to best distribute it throughout the hive.
  • Although some researchers caution about applying more than 50 mL per colony, we routinely treat every seam of bees, even if it takes close to 100 mL total (we may get away with this because our broodless period in the California foothills is very short).
  • For application to only a few hives, use a teaspoon or 60 mL syringe (from any feed store). 

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Dribble being applied with a 60 mL syringe.

  • For commercial use, we use a garden sprayer set to a gentle stream, calibrated by the use of a graduated cylinder, to dispense 5 mL per second (1 seam of bees per second, less than 20 seconds per hive). 

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Calibrating the output of the stream to 5 mL per second.  Tip:  maintain a large reservoir of air above the liquid–this will reduce the amount of fluctuation in the flow.  With practice, it is easy to eyeball the correct stream.

  • In fall, we treat the bees in both brood chambers. If the cluster is mainly in the lower box, we tip the upper box back and apply the oxalic from below.  If the cluster is mainly in the upper box, we take off the lid and dribble each box from above.

Fall dribble with eric

 

I’m applying the fall treatment while Eric tips back the upper box.  We often work in three’s, with two cracking and one squirting.

 Treatment windows

  • You’ll get the highest efficacy against varroa if oxalic dribble is applied when there is no sealed brood present.  This opportunity occurs as a result of natural or induced brood breaks.
  • In temperate regions, natural brood breaks typically occur in November through early December.
  • Alternatively, you can induce a brood break by making shook swarms, or by caging the queen for 14 days, as shown below.

Induced break graphic

 

By caging the queen for 14 days, you can create a 2-day window in which there is no sealed brood in which varroa can hide.  Note that this window occurs starting about 6 days after you release the queen.

Package bees:  Aliano and Ellis, in their very well done preliminary investigation into treating package bees with oxalic, found that the spray application of 3 mL of 2.8% (w:w) of oxalic acid in sugar syrup per 1000 bees resulted in very high varroa kill, with minimal bee kill.  Since there are roughly 3500 bees per lb, that works out to:

21 mL of 2.8% OA syrup per 2-lb package,

31.5 mL per 3-lb package, or

42 mL per 4-lb package.

The 2.8% solution is roughly the same as the “weak” formula at Treatment Table.  The authors note, however, that their results were preliminary, and I haven’t seen any follow-up research.   If you do treat some packages, please let me know the results!

 

Alternatively, although you could directly treat bees in a package, I’d suggest installing them normally, and then treating them in the hive between Days 5 and 7 after installation.  The timing is due to the fact that even if the queen starts laying eggs the day after installation, it wouldn’t be until Day 9 that the first brood would be of suitable age for mite invasion.  Oxalic dribble kills mites for roughly 3 days after application.  Thus, if you dribble the recently-installed package on Day 6, the full effect of the treatment will have taken place prior to the first opportunity for the mites to hide in the brood.

You can also use this method with shook swarms, or for any divide made without brood.

 

Nucs:  Starting nucs with queen cells in spring presents a great opportunity for controlling varroa by dribbling on Day 19.  We’ve now used this method on thousands of nucs, and really like it for getting a “clean start” each spring.

Figure 1

Figure 1. The theory behind the early treatment of nucs—it’s all about timing! There is a brief window of opportunity from Day 19 to Day 21 after make up in which every mite in the nuc is forced out of the safety of the sealed brood. A short-term treatment applied at that precise time could result in a very effective kill of the now-exposed mites!

I’ve fully described this method at http://scientificbeekeeping.com/simple-early-treatment-of-nucs-against-varroa/.

  • An even simpler method is to make “walkaway splits”–that is, splitting a hive (into two or more splits) and allowing the queenless split to raise a new queen (although I do not particularly recommend this method, since it depends upon the splits raising emergency queens, plus the splits go without any new brood production for at least 24 days, during which laying workers may develop).                                                                                                                                                                                 The key is to make up the split containing the old queen without any sealed brood (so that all the mites are exposed to treatment).  Leave this split on the parent stand to pick up the field force.  Into the other (queenless) split(s), place all the sealed brood (any open brood is also fine), along with most of the bees (since all the field bees will fly back to the parent stand).  Treat the split with the old queen on the day you make the split(s).  Treat the queenless splits on any day from Day 21 through Day 30.

Walkaway induced

Summer treatment

  • Oxalic dribble is not as effective when colonies contain brood (as during spring or summer), but colonies at that time do appear to tolerate stronger or repeated doses due to the rapid turnover of the adult population at that time of year.
  • I don’t have data on efficacy, but I’ve treated colonies once a week for three consecutive weeks in late summer without noticing adverse effects (although we prefer thymol or formic acid at that time of year).

Mixing, safety, and storage

  • There is a narrow range of dosage that will kill varroa without harming the bees. Follow mixing and application rates meticulously; see (http://scientificbeekeeping.com/oxalic-acid-treatment-table/).
  • Use common sense when handling oxalic acid crystals. Wear glasses in case of a mishap—you don’t want to get it into your eyes!  Wear latex or nitrile gloves to remind you not to rub your eyes.

Weighing oxalic

 

Weigh the oxalic acid crystals carefully–they cannot be accurately measured by volume (such as by teaspoon measurement).

  • It’s no big deal to get either the crystals or solution on your skin—simply wash off with water. If you suspect that there is some oxalic syrup on your skin, taste it (it tastes like strong lemonade).  Don’t worry–you eat plenty of oxalic acid in common vegetables.  You can completely neutralize an oxalic acid spill with some baking soda dissolved in water.
  • If your water is hard (contains calcium), use distilled water instead (calcium will cause some of the oxalic acid to precipitate as white calcium oxalate).
  • We prefer to first completely dissolve the crystals in hot water, and then add the sugar.
  • Oxalic acid in a sugar solution will eventually form HMF [[a]], which is somewhat toxic to bees. It’s unlikely that enough will be formed under normal use to harm the bees, but you should not use a solution that has begun to turn brown.  Oxalic syrup can be stored for many months if kept refrigerated [[b]].

[a] Hydroxymethylfurfural, non toxic to humans; commonly found in cooked jams and jellies.

[b] Prandin, L, et al (2001) A scientific note on long-term stability of a home-made oxalic acid water sugar solution for controlling varroosis.  Apidologie 32: 451–452.  Open access.

 

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